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6 responses to “Deutsche Fuels Silver, Report 2 October, 2016”

  1. Hello Keith,

    I have two questions that I can not find explanation.

    Why is the Sep Cobasis so much higher than LIBOR?
    Also, the Gold futures curve is very stepened. The implied yiedls are very high compared to LIBOR.

    Many Thanks ,

    Antonio

  2. Antonio, LIBOR is currently around +8% while the Cobasis is around -1.7%. So the Cobasis is much lower than LIBOR, not higher. But the basis is around the same level as LIBOR now, although it was above LIBOR last week.

    As far as the implied yield curve being steepened is concerned, it might be because people who are warehousing gold are expecting higher LIBOR in the future (possibly from a supposed Fed rate hike). Therefore, they want to take a greater share of the profits from gold “leasing”.

    Maybe Keith will have more to add to this. But this is what I’m thinking is happening, at least.

  3. October 4, 2016
    Smash of $42
    Accurate time stamp for spot and futures Oct 04 2016 15:15:59 EDT

    Spot Bid: $1,269.89
    Spot Ask: $1,270.16

    Gold Dec’16 Future Bid: $1,272.00
    Gold Dec’16 Future Ask: $1,272.10
    Days Till Expiration: 86

    Dollar in gold: 24.49mg

    Cost of carry: $1.84
    Cost of de-carry: -$2.21

    Dec’16 Gold Basis: 0.615%
    Dec’16 Gold Cobasis: -0.739%

  4. Sorry, I wanted to say basis instead cobasis.

    Dec Basis is arround 0.9% (I was near 1.3%, so much above Libor)
    3M Libor is 0.87%

    Pizza Genie, How do you calculate the Basis? Do you take into account the storage cost?

    Thanks, Antonio

  5. Basis as it appears to be calculated:

    Future (bid) minus Spot (Ask) = Cost of carry

    {(Cost of carry ÷ Spot Ask) x 100} X {365 ÷ days to contract expiration) = Basis in annualized %

    Storage costs, execution fees, exchange fees etc. would vary based on volume. It is probably best to calculate the basis/cobasis without them and then subtract them later after a “raw” profit for carrying or de-carrying has been established.

    If I calculate it this way I get a DEC’16 gold basis of 0.633% at Oct 06 2016 22:40:47 EDT.

    How have you been calculating your numbers differently?

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