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13 responses to “A Signal of Coming Collapse”

  1. Great article Keith. On a related point, just noticed that the 1, 2 and 3 month GOFO have dropped to the lowest levels in the past 2 years this morning. Did the cobasis for gold also spike this morning?

    Thanks,

    Mark

  2. Keith,

    I do not understand, is it “imminent” or the collapse will take many more years as written in this article (for yen to go to 0) ?

    Thanks.

    RD

  3. The question I have is that if the yen collapses will anybody learn from it. You would think so but history shows that the hubris of our leaders knows no bounds.

  4. Thanks for your comments.

    miamonaco: The cobasis for every contract month is up, but not what I would call a spike. Yesterday in Dec, cobasis was +0.24% and today it’s +0.31%.

    pherisse: I want to reserve judgement on the timeframe for a bit. I don’t want to underestimate the tricks they have up their sleeves. But on the other hand, this looks pretty serious.

    opusnz: I think many will learn the wrong lesson. “Japan increased quantity of money too much. We need to have a better rule, like the Taylor Rule.” No rule can prevent it, it has nothing to do with quantity but with debt and falling interest.

  5. Keith,

    I believe I understand your position on gold, not valued in US dollars. You submitted that the supply of gold is constant and that fluctuations in value are due to hoarding and dis-hoarding. [In a nutshell]

    I think everyone of us has been saturated with theories of hyperinflation. Under this scenario the price of gold is compared to US dollars would skyrocket to infinity. Mike Maloney and many others subscribe to this theory. Harry Dent on the other hand believes that the price of gold is measured in US dollars will plummet to $750 and then further to $250 as debt default forces deflation.

    You have probably studied gold much more than the people mentioned above. I am interested in your thoughts. Do you think that gold is likely to go to either of these (US Dollar) extremes ?

    1. JTR, (and Mr. Weiner),

      Thank you for asking this question. It is one that has been on my mind for a long while, and though I have asked it on occasion, I have never yet received an answer. When I first heard Harry Dent’s arguments back in 2010 or early 2011, they immediately struck me as very plausible. These days, gold is performing in ways that are at odds with the gold bugs’ predictions, and more and more you are hearing the word “deflation” bandied about. So, I wonder, is there a possibility that Harry Dent is onto something? Also, I must say, Mr. Weiner, that I can’t reconcile that gold is only valued in relation to the dollar. It just seems to me that gold is in a unique asset class, quite apart from any fiat currency? I’m sure I have missed an important understanding here. Thank you.

  6. JTR: I am saying that people assume that the dollar is money. However, government does not have the power to alter economic law any more than physics. They cannot make a bullet go faster than the speed of light and they cannot make the Fed’s liability into money.

    Gold is money. So one should not think of the gold price moving up or down. One should think of the dollar price, as measured in gold. Today, it is around 27mg.

    The question I think one should ask is: will the dollar keep going up? My analysis of the basis suggests not too much farther. Dent is, in essence, saying that the dollar will go up to 124mg. I am not that familiar with his arguments, but it sounds like quantity of money analysis. As the quantity decreases (due to debt defaults, I am guessing) then the value of a dollar rises.

    That’s the same theory that the gold bugs have used to call for $5,000 or $30,000 gold. The value of a currency is not 1/N where N is the quantity. It just does not work that way.

    I would ask Dent one thing. Who in their right mind would choose to hold zero-yield debt instruments of risky borrowers who are defaulting left and right? Would not they choose gold, which has no counterpart risk? I don’t know his view that well, but I think he does not regard gold as money.

  7. Cyn: You are exactly correct. Gold is an asset (money) that has value completely apart from the dollar and dollar prices. Gold was money for thousands of years before the dollar existed, and it will continue to be money after the dollar collapses into the grave where go all irredeemable paper currencies.

  8. Thank you for your response Keith.
    (I just discovered how to change my profile to reflect my actual name rather than JTR Industries.)

    I agree with you one hundred percent. Federal reserve notes are not money. They are instruments of debt. What was going on in the back of my mind was: When would be a good time to change some of these useless notes in for real money such as gold. Although federal reserve notes are not money, they can at the moment, still be traded for gold. What I am asking (to put this in the correct format) is; Do you have any thoughts about where the dollar is headed (as measured in gold)?

    All of the major currencies seem to be based on illusion. I am wondering myself when this illusion will no longer hold power over people. I always think about “the King’s New Clothes” when I am counting currency.

  9. Thanks Keith, I am keeping up with the Supply and Demand Reports. You answered my question in the first post. Sorry about that. I will be sure to drink my coffee before jump back in next time.

    In any case I think it will be interesting to see how the future plays out. You might be interested the following interview with Jeremy Rifkin:

    https://www.singularityweblog.com/jeremy-rifkin-on-the-zero-marginal-cost-society/

    He has some very interesting ideas about the role money will play in our future.

  10. How about removing the giant grey inverted commas situated about a third of the way down, paragraph starting “Bloomberg…published etc”. You have had this problem in several other posts on your site, but I hoped that it would have been brought to your attention before now, & remedied.

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