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7 responses to “What Silver Rocket? Report 13 Dec, 2015”

  1. Are you serious…. 83? Lol… surely you jest!

    No, no… I jest myself… I even supported this notion (i.e., speculation!) of yours that the GSR could hit 83 months ago. However, given that so much time has passed and the PM bottom appears nigh, I am inclined to speak against that happening unless silver can close below $13.40.

    Because if this is roughly the bottom in metals, it should also approximate the peak in the GSR. To quote one of the more radical Austrian economists, silver typically goes “foom” more quickly than gold. Thus the GSR should decline.

    Then again, if the PM bottom remains elusive in 2016 forget everything I just said. The GSR could be at 83 or 103… I have no idea. I just happen to believe silver is looking pretty good right now…. but my trading opinions necessitate frequent adjustments, naturally.

    I have my own theory about the basis. Given that the nominal price seems forever stuck beneath the ‘fundamentally calculated price’ (henceforth “FCP”?!) during this intensely bearish phase, it’s seems entirely plausible that the nominal price might frequently exceed the FCP during more bullish phases. We’ll see, won’t we.

    In a sense, then, the FCP could simply be a lagging indicator, not a leading one. The recent contraction in the basis, for example, could be an indication of waning speculative demand, nothing more nothing less. Along those lines, the GLD — the most common play thing for those into paper gold — bears watching as an indicator too. The total assets owned by the GLD trust, for example, comes in at a pathetic 630 tonnes, a persistent and dramatic drop from earlier 2015 levels. If history is any guide, a liquidation of that magnitude lays the groundwork for an imminent rally.

    But, alas, history only rhymes… it does not repeat exactly. In the past such a decline in GLD assets would have spurred a rally. This time I don’t know. If 1045 holds, keep your fingers crossed. (How’s that for an investment strategy?)

    Keith… you’re a good guy (which is why we show up and post a few thoughts here) and many of us are genuinely intrigued with your methodology. That said, so far this “pull” you discuss (such as with the GSR) has been happening only in reverse, as gold has fallen hundreds of dollars. With this kind of performance, then, I hope you can understand my brewing skepticism.

    Question: Is this ‘basis calculation’ completely your own creation… or does anybody else in the economics world subscribe to this general way of looking at things? At first I thought you might be onto to something… something big even… but so far the “pudding” has provided little proof.

    Merry Christmas Everyone… thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  2. Much of what I write makes sense even to those who use the dollar as the unit of measure. But some of it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if you think the dollar is the lighthouse, and gold is the rowboat tossing about on stormy seas.

    I am humbled by the fact that even longtime readers still think in terms of gold going up or down. I will try harder to make it clear why that is not the case.

    I studied under Antal Fekete. He wrote of the basis for many years, though I have taken it farther and of course he did not build a price model.

    Btw, while the fundamental gold price has been *above* the market price, the opposite was true in silver until recently. I have been calling for a rising GSR publicly since about 50 (and longer for a private email list before going live with this site). At every downward zig and zag of the ratio (i.e. when the price of silver measured in dollars blipped up) the usual suspects chorused that silver was taking off again.

    Nevertheless, the ratio is basically at its high for the move.

    We shall see…

  3. Hey Keith! Thanks for checking in.

    Not sure why, I tend to see silver as more of an industrial metal as it’s largely a by-product of copper, etc…, then again I do own an increasing chunk of it at today’s prices but have my doubts whether it will ever see $50 again, except during the final hyper-inflationary blowoff. Then who knows what anything priced in dollars will be worth. At that point the focus isn’t on what the dollar is worth… the focus suddenly becomes: Is the dollar worth anything at all?

    Of course the dollar is worth something… (it buys things, doesn’t it?) but what most don’t realize is that the dollar is on its inexorable path to intrinsic value. Some actually know what the problem is.. but they assume it’s so far in the future they don’t need an escape plan yet. They’re wrong in my opinion. Some have even posited that the dollar’s demise could be decades away…. but that’s a LONG time for a fiat currency when the historical average (for a fiat currency) is 35 years, give or take.

    Since Nixon closed the gold window in 1971… that’s already over 40 yrs ago… so it could be time for things to get ‘dicey’ if you know what i mean.

    In the end I’m less bullish on silver because of the developing depression, which compromises demand, as I don’t feel investor demand will compensate.

    But why are you negative on silver? Or is it that you’re relatively more bullish on gold?

    One nice thing in favor of silver is that, unlike gold, it’s used up and gone forever.

    For the bulls, the high silver prices (the two peaks to $50) have only served to encourage massive new production…. and in a world that only knows and respects fiat money, it’s important to acknowledge that demand just isn’t there is any meaningful way.

  4. The Argentine peso collapsed nearly 30% today, it is now at 2.22 milligrams of gold. Meanwhile the cobasis was the same across all world currencies. If the cobasis did not fall in response to the lower Argentine peso, wouldn’t the “fundamental price” of gold in pesos have skyrocketed today?

    Would your model have indicated this price movement in advance if the Argentine peso had been substitued on your chart in place of the dollar? Why or why not?

    I get the point about the incorrect method of looking through the “dollar lighthouse”.

    Howerver, doesn’t this report make a similar mistake in only looking at gold traders with USD demoninated accounts on the CME exchange?

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