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4 responses to “How Not to Trade the Dollar”

  1. “…because the Fed is incessantly forcing more counterfeit credit into the market.”

    When does the “money” printed by the Fed becomes counterfeit credit? With the current inflation being low despite the QE1..n means that bad money hasn’t entered the economy at all? Does that mean the FED has no power to create inflation at all if people do not/can not afford to borrow this thin-air money?

    To ask more succinctly, could you give me an example of instances when the US government introduced inflation? For example, in the 70’s and early 80’s there was massive inflation. So what bouts of counterfeit credit injection events caused that inflation?

    Before 2008 (i.e pre-QE era) the FEB balance sheet was really small still there was inflation in the past. That’s the bit I don’t get. Could you elucidate?

    1. steevan: The credit provided by the Fed is counterfeit when issued. NB: I do not define inflation as either “rising prices” or “expansion of the money supply”. I define it as an expansion of counterfeit credit. Fed purchases of Treasury bonds give the government credit where there is no willing lender. I wrote a paper on this, easily findable on Google.

      On my site keithweinereconomics.com, I am publishing one part at a time of a multipart paper on my theory of interest and prices under irredeemable currency (it’s not here because it’s less relevant to markets and trading). From your questions, you may be interested in it…

  2. “Consider a simple trade. First, you buy gold. Then the price of gold goes up. Then you sell the gold. You have a profit, right? Wrong.”

    Keith, I don’t quite understand this. I mean, I understand the assumption that gold is wealth, and if you accept that, then the above is correct. But I would say wealth is not gold, but the things you can buy with gold.

    So if I buy an ounce of gold for $1500, and sell it for $1600, prices at my local tailor hasn’t risen by the same percentage, and I can buy a suit that is $100 more expensive, thus I have profited from the trade. Or I can buy a $1500 suit *and* a pair of $100 shoes. Thus, I have profited (by a pair of shoes).

    Similarly, if I hold 100 ounces of gold as my savings, and an asteroid strikes the earth and destroys half of all human wealth (consumer goods (food, cars, houses, etc.) and producer goods (factories, machinery, etc.)) I would think prices would double, so what cost 1 ounce of gold now costs 2 ounces of gold. Thus, I would hold the same amount of gold (100 ounces), but I would be poorer, because I can purchase less with the gold I have, right?

  3. “So if I buy an ounce of gold for $1500, and sell it for $1600, prices at my local tailor hasn’t risen by the same percentage, and I can buy a suit that is $100 more expensive, thus I have profited from the trade. Or I can buy a $1500 suit *and* a pair of $100 shoes. Thus, I have profited (by a pair of shoes).”

    The problem with this argument is that…yes, prices at your local tailor haven’t risen by the same percentage, but neither have your wages. So you aren’t gaining anything by saving gold. You have mitigated against the present loss of your wages by saving in the past. You would have lost by an even greater amount if you hadn’t saved. But you still didn’t make a positive gain.

    Of course, this depends somewhat on how much gold you have saved. If you have a lot of gold saved back, it may be that the fall in the gold-price of consumer goods is so great that the gain in purchasing power from your savings is greater than the fall in the gold-price of your wage. In this case, your standard of living would improve. However, it would only improve because the standard of living of others would be falling, and you would be gaining at their expense.

    If this process continued, and if you taught your children and grandchildren to save gold like you had done, your grandchildren might end up being feudal lords in a future dark age. This is certainly better than being peasants in a future dark age. And, there’s even a sense in which you could say that they might be better off than you are in the present – they would have greater social status and political power, for example. But economically, they would really be worse off because the society they lived in would be more poor than it had been before. There would be no air conditioning, Internet, or television, for example.

    I think this is the point that Keith is making when he says that “To get richer, you must either invest to receive a yield in gold, or speculate on an asset with a rising gold price”.

    There are no assets right now that have rising gold prices, at least not if you look at them over more than a five-year time frame. And lending your gold out at interest is very risky since there is no legal system to protect you in case of default (thanks to the legal tender laws).

    I know Keith provides a fund that people can invest in to get around this problem, but barring that solution, there’s really no way to gain in the long-run by holding onto gold.

    If you want to become richer, what you need is a growing economy that allows you to invest your gold so as to get more gold in return. That way, the purchasing power of your wealth goes up without impoverishing someone else, because the entire economy is growing.

    But that isn’t possible politically. So your only option is to hold gold so that at least your standard of living doesn’t shrink as fast.

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