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9 responses to “Bitcoin Crashed. Again.”

  1. Gold can never become unavailable in theory. In practice, it becomes unavailable to just about everyone. And it is within that flaw that bitcoin, if it survives, will discover itself and become money.

    This little currency just keeps taking it the chin and just keeps getting back up.

    1. I am not sure we’re on the same page with regard to the word “unavailable”.

      I mean: if you have a gold coin in your pocket, it is always available. But if you have a Bitcoin it can’t be in your pocket, it must be in your computer. It will be unavailable if your hard drive crashes, if you get a bad virus, if the electricity shuts down, if you can’t connect to the Internet, etc.

      1. Hi Keith.

        By converting a passphrase into a private key, you can store your bitcoins in your head if you want. You don’t need your computer at all. You need the internet only to get transactions confirmed via the blockchain.

        By unavaiIable I mean that because ownership of gold is relatively centralized, a condition of scarcity can be created by those with the gold. The money supply can be controlled. That may at times (like now) seem like the proper function of gold, but that’s not the point. The point is that it can be done by a cartel. When the bitcoin miners stop mining, supply of bitcoin will be created at the point of demand. By the market. Pure free market. This is a breakthrough in the history of money. Bitcoin price discovery would be to the RIGHT of the decimal. The supply cannot be controlled by a cartel. At least in theory. We’ll see.

        The ultimate scenario would be to store your wealth in gold but spend it in as anonymously as you wished in bitcoin.

  2. mossmoon: OK, one can memorize a passphrase. Can that be used to buy something from someone else? Or would it be correct to say that if the network is down then Bitcoin is unavailable–it cannot be used to transact without computers and the network?

    You assert that gold is centralized, but the fact is that people have been accumulating it for thousands of years and hiding it from their governments. Gold has the highest stocks-to-flows ratio of any commodity by a large margin. There is no one entity, not even the most powerful government in the world, who can be said to “control” it, or its supply.

    1. Bitcoin transactions can be transacted on any protocol. The internet could go down and bitcoin could still be transacted, on SMS for example.

      I must respectfully disagree on whether the price of gold can be manipulated

  3. Mossmoon:

    As to manipulating the (measured-in-dollars) “price” of gold, please read through the material on this site! We make the case that one should not measure the price of gold in dollars the way one should not measure the length of a steel meter stick using rubber bands (or gummy bears). And second, we have documented in various ways the data to prove that there is not a scheme to naked-short futures.

    As to the *supply* of gold, that is a whole ‘nother story. 5000 years worth of accumulated stocks, mostly hidden from governments and dispersed through the whole world.

  4. I know this goes round and round, but: as I understand it, the basis analysis does not have anything to say about manipulation because it assumes the spot price is the physical price, which it is not. The exchanges are not a price discovery mechanism for physical metal.
    The exchanges discover a price for a paper promise against a paper promise. The basis cannot be manipulated. But what is the basis actually measuring? A spread between paper promises.

    1. If the spot price were just another paper price for a paper promise then it could be manipulated, and hence the basis could be manipulated.

      I can assure you that one can buy gold and silver at spot (plus a small premium depending on what kind of product you are buying).

  5. Yes, metal is bought and sold on the paper arbitrage. But that doesn’t show that price discovery isn’t in the wrong direction. I don’t see how you can get past the chicken-and-egg problem here.

    But let me ask the question this way: Which has more influence on the spot price of a commodity: The actual physical commodity, or the futures price?

    And how can we talk about price discovery of physical metal at all when the leverage is so high? When a billion ounces of silver trades in one day on an exchange that delivers 50 million ounces a year, does it really matter whether they are long or short or naked? Price discovery doesn’t mean anything anymore.

    I think just focusing on the price mechanism itself is to put blinders on. To see silver manipulation for example, one needs to look elsewhere: the dumping of a huge number of contracts into a illiquid market on an almost daily basis; the massive concentrated short position; the leasing activity and the buying of forward mine production since the 1980s; the existence of a Silver Users Association and the depleted government stockpiles; the appearance of an ETF when those stockpiles plummeted under 200 million ounces; the fact that silver is the second most widely used commodity on earth but is mined as a by-product of the other base metals putting its industrial supply at risk and on and on and on.

    And then there’s the motives of the actors. Why was silver demonetized? Why did Johnson take it out of the coinage? But those who ask these questions are tinfoil hatters of course.

    All of these items can be explained away individually. It just takes a little heuristic common sense to put them all together.

    Our entire system of money creation is a top down usurious pyramid scheme of debt money. With that kind of arrangement, the question isn’t Where is there manipulation? but Where ISN”T there manipulation?

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