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8 responses to “Why does the “Paper Gold” Price Track the Physical Gold Price? Postscript”

  1. This is fascinating.

    However perhaps there is a contrary analogue. From roughly August 6-August 20, 2012, the silver OI was rising (with a sideways price) and the basis was moving much more strongly positive than the present scenario. But the silver price exploded from $28 to $35.

    We have exactly this situation presently.

    Short this silver market at your peril, Keith.

    1. As I always say when discussing a bearish-looking environment for gold or silver:

      NEVER NAKED SHORT A MONETARY METAL!!!

      Since the first video introducing this idea, I have been advocating for an arbitrage; long gold / short silver.

  2. So, if the silver basis is up, implying an increasing spread between silver spot and silver futures, this in turn indicates no shortage/availability of silver on the spot market, right? Assuming I have this right, how does this square with sold-out conditions at the US and Canadian mints based on the purported shortage of physical?

  3. I do not quite agree that “indeed the only force that connects the two markets is arbitrage.”

    I have been in equity markets for a few years and observed that the scenario “The tail wags the dog” does exist. It means when futures drop, the bid of its underlying will retreat (I did move down my bid of underlying in real case in anticipation of falling offer prices). Arbitrage is not the only force that connects the spot and futures markets.

    Psychology may have a role in price discovery. Most people agree that futures markets are a faster market and more information-sensitive. The rising basis on the one hand shows the rise in price may not be sustainable, but on the other hand may draw more futures/ spot /ETF buyers into the markets. The original leveraged long may then sell the futures to the now heated futures/ spot/ ETF markets. The spot markets, being also driven by speculators of ETF, may become so overheated that temporary backwardation happens. The arbitrager in this case found it harder to do the arbitrage as the supply of spot silver, a giffin goods, shrinks in anticipation of higher price. The backwardation draws even more leveraged long until, said you said, it exhausted itself. I think it happens in April 2011 (I admit it’s my guesswork only).

    By longing gold and short silver in the first sign of rising basis, rising OI and rising price of silver may bankrupt you before backwardation corrects itself back to normal contango. Please correct me if I am wrong :)

    1. Allen: are you saying that rising contango causes backwardation?

      By the way, I think the word for someone who maintains a bid in the spot market and who lowers it when he sees the bid on the future drop is … “arbitrageur”. :)

  4. When rising contango (even though spot lags futures in the rise) causes a change in psychology in favour of price rise and the stock readily deliverable shrinks (some stocks are under mattress), is it possible a rising contango will turn to temporary backwardation?

    I think not only arbitrageur will lower the bid in the spot market, but all buyers (incl. bullish new naked spot long) will. So the subsequent drop in spot is not entirely due to the arbitraging activity (i.e. long spot and short futures in positive basis case).

    I argue that when arbitrageur’s unwind met with leveraged long and short unwinds, the aggregate impact is just rising basis. You said “The liquidation of the “naked longs” will cause the unwind of all those silver carry positions and dump silver in a physical market”. But the missing piece is “naked short” will also liquidate and gives a source of demand in futures.

    1. Allen: Of course backwardation can follow contango. The question is does the latter *cause* the former.

      I propose a broader concept of arbitrage that includes someone who maintains a bid in the spot market lowering his bid in response to changes in the futures market. That is no mere speculator buying (spot or future) and then waiting for price to rise. And even that would be arbitrage in the broadest sense, but that’s outside the scope.

      I have written papers in the past looking at this alleged naked short position, and how the mechanics of the contract roll would work. The observed data is opposite to what we would expect if there was a large naked short. If you mean there are some speculators who naked short, of course, but I would imagine not too many during a period (like last Aug-Sep) of rapidly rising price, rising OI, and rising basis. Maybe once the price had hit a plateau, but in this case rising OI was accompanied by rising basis. Shorting futures would produce a falling basis…

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