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6 responses to “Monetary Metals Supply and Demand Report: 15 Mar, 2015”

  1. You seem to be suggesting that the price of gold should be higher and the price of silver lower than they stand currently. Yet I thought that gold and silver prices move (and trend) in tandem. Are there any examples of when they have moved in opposite directions from each other (at least for any sustained period)? If so, presumably the reason was because of supply-demand fundamentals rather than sentiment?

  2. @jasonww, Keith’s Au/Ag price ratio shows the recent curve of these metals’ deviation from pure “tandem” moves. Although a 9 month history is too brief to prove the point, you can see that the curve is not particularly flat. In the days of bimetallism (currency standards), the price ratio was in the 15-16x range, which derives from the ratios of their specific gravity (and hence the relative cost of shipment). Nowadays, industrial use of silver and massive hoarding of gold have altered that valuation. Cost of shipment is not an important criterion for their relative values. It is supply demand fundamentals as you suspect. Specifically these two have vastly different fundamental character, as silver has begun a centuries-long process of being demonetized for better or worse.

    In fact, it is on this subject that Fekete himself has most altered his opinions, having offered more than one different reading of the same story. (“whither Gold?” being an early “conspiracy theory” version, and later essays backing off into more “organic” explanations).

    Perhaps Keith will wade into those waters someday, but they seem murky to me, so I’d be cautious.

  3. jasonww: The prices of gold and silver tend to move in the same direction but that is not necessarily so.

    Greg: gold is not 16 times as heavy as silver (i.e. specific gravity). Its worth was 16 times greater (specific value), though of course today it is now 74X more valuable.

    As to the demonetization of gold, I won’t wade into conspiracy waters. I can certainly agree that governments in the 19th century too actions to discourage the use of silver as money.

    1. I stand corrected! The bi-metallism-era price ratios don’t seem to have any physical basis.
      Shipping costs only set the gold and silver “points” (the spreads closed by shipments), it was the ratio of their spreads which correlated with their specific gravities, not their price ratio.

      The breakdown of bimetallic currency standards (silver “demonetization”) was either (A) inevitable because price-fixing misuses the force of law, or (B) conspiratorial because everything legislated must be a conspiracy of some sort… Fekete does not tend to cite “public choice” arguments, so he has not yet offered a theory of legislatively-evolved money.

      In any case, money-ness isn’t a binary (all or nothing) property. Gold “demonetizing” is a uniquely fruitless pursuit. Its goals and means are out in the open, though so it isn’t technically a conspiracy.

  4. Question: When you use the April gold basis and cobasis on your chart, does the curve show April 2015 all along, or is the curve representative of the 1-month cobasis/basis

    brgds

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